Are Porsches fragile? What is the truth about the experience of buying and owning seven Porsches?

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One of the most frequent questions we get on the blog is about "Porsche problems," and my husband wrote an article about it. Please take a look if you would like to read it.

Try owning 7 Porsches.

I have bought myself seven Porsches in the last five and a half years.981 Boxster GTS, 970 Panamera, 971 Panamera Turbo, 991 GT3 Touring Package, 964 Carrera 2, 9YA Cayenne E-Hybrid, 992 Carrera CabrioletIt is.

In the course of riding these, I decided to summarize what kind of malfunctions or problems I have had so far.

Porsche Panamera and 911 (964)

Note that a malfunction or defect does not mean that theFor those who are used to domestic cars, that would be considered a defect.In the world of imported cars, however, it is often just a specification or a deterioration of consumable parts, so it is difficult to say "failure or malfunction" because it is perceived differently by different people.

Therefore, we have decided to objectively divide the events into the following categories.

  1. Failure that does not affect driving
  2. Failure that affects driving but is still drivable
  3. Exterior and interior defects, unusual noises, etc.
  4. Failure that renders driving impossible
  5. Other events that are not malfunctions but are not commonly seen in domestic vehicles

Failures that do not affect driving

There are five cases on this.

The first case was about right after I bought a 981 Panamera Turbo, while it was running.PSM failureand ACC (Adaptive Cruise Control)An event in which an error occurred but was cured by restarting the engine.It is. I remember that this happened twice after that, but in both cases, the error stopped after restarting the system and the event did not occur at all after that.

PSM failure in new Porsche Panamera Turbo

The second problem is also on a 981 Panamera Turbo, and it is a very rare problem that warns of an event where the engine does not start (like it fails to start) when the engine is started. However, when the engine is restarted, it always starts the second time, so driving is not affected and there are no problems after that, but this has been experienced several times since then.

I can't reproduce it with certainty.I remember that if you tried to start the engine while the seat was being automatically adjusted, there was a high probability of an event occurring.I am doing so. We also contacted the dealers.Please come in next time an event occurs.I was told, "I'll take it with me the next time it happens," and then it stopped happening, and the second half of the day it didn't happen at all.

Third case.On a GT3 Touring package, the aluminum part with the gear number on the shift knob is floating and almost coming off.They replaced it free of charge under warranty. The shift knob for the GT3 Touring Package seems to be an exclusive part (special order part) and it took over 3 months from the time I ordered it to the time it arrived, but I was a little happy to have a new shift.

GT3 manual shift knob

The fourth case is a Cayenne E-Hybrid, where the online update of the navigation system failed and an error occurs every time the navigation system starts up. This is still occurring and has not been fully resolved once it has been in to the dealership and is still under ongoing investigation.

The fifth case was at 992.Problem with communication between Porsche Connect app and vehicle.It is. The Porsche Connect App is a smartphone app that shows the vehicle's gasoline, oil level, mileage, fuel consumption, air pressure, and current location, and allows the user to remotely lock the vehicle.

On this application, theThe Cayenne shows up fine, but the 992 is not showing up with an error.There were many times when

I emailed Porsche Connect's support center, hid my frustration at the same questions being asked over and over again, explained the situation, and just as I got to the point where they said they would check with the department in charge, the system started working properly.

After that, it worked fine for a while. Occasionally, when I looked at it, it would not display again with the same problem. Incidentally, when I checked at the time of writing this article, it seems that I cannot see it again. Well, I am not particularly troubled by it and it is troublesome to inquire about it, so I am leaving it alone for now.

Failure that affects driving but is still drivable

I had a 964 Carrera 2 that smelled strange when running andThe alternator belt in the engine compartment was worn and slipping, causing the belt to melt from the heat and produce a burning smell.This is a phenomenon called "the belt is not running". If the car had continued to run as it was, it would not have been able to generate power and would have eventually become impossible to run, but this was immediately apparent from the smell and was resolved by having the belt replaced.

This is also an issue with a 964 Carrera 2. the ABS check light has recently come on when the engine is started. The ABS check light has been on occasionally for a while, but recently the frequency has been increasing, so the car will be coming in soon.

Exterior and interior defects, unusual noises, etc.

The first case was right after I bought my Boxster GTS.Air leaks from the gap between the driver's side window and the hood, making a noise like wind noise when driving at high speeds.This was the case. This was remedied by having the dealer check and adjust the window closing.

At the time, I was concerned that the dealer would take up the issue, as this was an event that was difficult to reproduce except at high speeds, but the dealer's representative said, "ThePorsche is a car that runs at such high speeds, so of course we check.They said, "That's what I'm talking about, Porsche!I remember being impressed.

Second case.Tail lamp and headlight foggingIt is. This is often seen after driving in heavy rain or after washing the car, and all of our Porsches fog up somewhat to varying degrees. So this is not a concern of mine to begin with. It doesn't make the inside of the lamps dirty or less bright, and the fogging goes away after a while.

However, this seems to be very frustrating to many people on Porsche-related social networking sites, etc.

Third case.Noise in the roomIt is. This is one of the common Porsche problems. The Boxster makes a faint creaking sound (chirping sound) at the base of the hood on the left rear side.Even the latest 992 makes a squeaking noise from the passenger sun visor area.is done.

In the 991GT3, a slight creaking sound can be heard from the passenger seat, but it is drowned out by other sounds, as the car was not originally designed with sound insulation in mind. The Cayenne sometimes has a chirping sound coming from near the room lamps.

The air-cooled 964 Carrera 2, on the other hand, makes more noise here and there, so I don't mind it.

All of these sounds are at such a level that if you concentrate on driving, you won't hear them.If you are used to domestic cars or nervous about strange noises, this will bother you.I think. At the moment, I'm planning to take it to the dealer when it starts making so much noise that I can't concentrate on driving, but I'm leaving it alone because the level is so high that I forget about it while I'm driving.

Also, not my car, but my brother used to drive a Panamera Sport Turismo, I believe.Somehow a bolt-like object from the manufacturing process had gotten mixed in with the pillar, and it was making noise while driving.There was an event that

This was of considerable concern to him, so he brought it to the dealer to have it addressed.

Failure that renders driving impossible

This has not happened so far. If I may say so, I experienced a dead battery in my 964 Carrera 2, but I don't care about it because a dead battery in a 964 is more like a "specification" than a defect.

Other events that are not malfunctions but are not commonly seen in domestic vehicles

This has three points.Running low on oil, squealing brakes, and a strange noise when steering at low speeds during cold winter months.This is the event that
This is a phenomenon that is rarely heard of in domestic cars, and people who do not know about it tend to complain that it is a malfunction or defect, but this is a genuine Porsche "specification.

First, regarding the oil loss, when the 981 Boxster GTS was running about 10,000 km, a low oil level warning appeared and the oil was topped up. This was solved by simply topping up the oil and has not appeared at all since then, and the oil has not been reduced at all with the current condition of over 45,000 km now.

We also experienced oil loss in the 971 Panamera Turbo andThe Panamera loses oil faster than the Boxster.From memory, I remember that the low oil warning came on once or twice until almost 20,000 km, and each time I topped off the oil.

Porsche Panamera Turbo

After that, however, the oil consumption of this car gradually decreased and no warnings appeared until I gave the car away. According to the recent Porsche manuals, oil consumption of up to 0.8L/1,000 km is not abnormal, so there is no need to worry.

And as for the squealing brakes.You should expect Porsche to basically squeal.In particular, the expensive optional PCCB (carbon ceramic brakes) are more prone to squeal than cast iron brakes, and the instruction manual states as much. In addition, theLearn more about Porsche brake squeal in this article.The following is a brief description of the project.

The third point is that on cold winter mornings, when pulling out of the parking lot, the car can be easily moved to a parking space.When the steering wheel is turned wide and the car starts to run, there is a "bobbing" or "gurgling" soundThis is also a phenomenon that is difficult to imagine in domestic cars. This is also a phenomenon that is unlikely to occur in domestic cars, and often occurs in Porsche, AMG, etc.

This happens for two simple reasons. Porsche uses parallel steering geometry instead of Ackermann steering geometry to improve driving performance, and they use high performance summer tires.

Wheels of the new 971 Panamera

High-performance summer tires become very hard when the temperature drops below 7°C. In Germany, it is even forbidden to drive with summer tires when the temperature drops below 7°C. On winter mornings when the summer tires are not warmed up, the rubber hardens and the parallel steering geometry causes a difference in rotation between the outer and inner wheels, causing the rubber to drag and making a strange noise.

So this is not an anomaly either. ThisLearn more about the gurgling noise at very low speeds in Porsche cars.for reference.

What I've learned from owning a Porsche

These are the events I have experienced. I have not experienced any other problems, but I have heard of problems with PDM (electronic engine mount) in Boxster Cayman, and PTM (Porsche Traction Management) in Macan. I have also heard about PTM (Porsche Traction Management, four wheel drive control) on social networking sites.

In my experience, Porsche breakdowns are rarely anything that affects driving or is fatal. On the other hand.Many problems with electronic control systems and infotainment systems, and interior noise systems.My impression is that they are manufacturers.

If I were to give advice to a first time Porsche buyer, it would be.Don't think of it as a "luxury car" just because it is expensive.It is. This is something I have said many times, but only because Porsche is not 'luxury' but driving performance isExpensive car because of its "high performanceIt is.

If you are looking for a car that does not make any unusual noises or squeal on the brakes, you will certainly be more satisfied if you buy a Japanese luxury coupe or sedan.

Hiro

I am Mina's husband. We don't drive cars for fashion or status symbols. We like cars that are fun to drive, are good industrial products, and have a sense of the maker's intention...

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  1. isi

    Hi Hiro, nice to meet you.

    I have experienced breakdowns for about 5 years.
    The seat ventilation system of a 981 BoxsterGTS was not working. The cause was a broken wire at the fold between the seat and back seat of the seat. →Free of charge under warranty.
    981BoxsterSpyder, cooling fan keeps running for nearly an hour after engine is stopped. →The cooling fan was replaced free of charge within the warranty.
    My 970 Panamera s e hybrid has had a "low engine power" warning 3-4 times in the past 3 years, mainly on winter mornings when the temperature is low. Since there is no problem in actual driving and the cause is not known in the inspection and the frequency is low, the car is under observation.

    So far, thanks to the warranty, I have not had any major expenses regarding breakdowns, but I do not plan to renew the warranty next time. The reason is that we are planning to replace the tires with FALKEN FK510 tires, which wata-san loves, or Michelin PS4S tires, which Hiro-san loves, both of which are 981 non-certified tires, and if we put them on, we will not be able to use the extended warranty. Another reason is that the extended warranty does not seem to cover expensive repairs such as engine, clutch, and suspension, and I thought the warranty coverage was vague and not cost-effective.

    I have experienced both 981GTS and Spyder regarding interior noise and chattering. At first I thought, "Is this OK?" but I got used to it. I don't worry too much about it because I think it is the fate of a sports car. Chattering noise is the first thing that could be complained about, but I feel that the Japanese culture of thoroughly eliminating potential complaints in advance and the foreign culture of responding to complaints as they occur are reflected in the way cars are made.

    I couldn't help but respond to this rare opportunity for Hiro to contribute. Thank you for your continued support.

  2. jikonashi

    Hello. I always enjoy my 911 life with your blog ^ ^.
    Not a "luxury car" but a "high performance car
    You are right!
    If you buy a Porsche looking for luxury, you may be disappointed (T-T).

  3. mountainous region

    I always enjoy looking at your site.

    This case was very informative, but all I can think of is that it would be a glitch if I didn't know about it.

    About 15 years ago, a yellow Porsche stopped in the middle of a national highway with its hazard out.
    I had just gotten my driver's license and was afraid of foreign cars when I saw the traffic jams they were creating.

    Still, if you haven't had one catastrophic failure in five and a half years.
    Thank you for the tips on how to buy with confidence.

  4. Mitsuhiro Kimura

    Even cars made by domestic manufacturers slip when the temperature is low, so we take care to keep the tires warm.
    In other vehicles.
    In the city, Connected has many errors due to congested communication.
    On the highway, if the car in front of you is black, the laser beam of the headlights will be reflected and it will be very bright.
    It has an idling stop and cylinder stop.
    I get good gas mileage, but I only use the alternator for braking.
    It does not turn, so the battery goes up.
    Ceramic brakes, so far, do not make any noise.
    I read your article.
    I was convinced.
    Thank you very much.

  5. rickshaw man

    As for the parallel steer feature.
    Porsche is ok, but Mercedes dealers, led by Yanase, are having to deal with complaints from AMG owners who don't know anything about it, which is pretty hard to deal with lol.
     We have replaced the tires with softer ones free of charge, but it is a structural problem, so there is no way to fix it, but I guess the customer base is....
     Ignorance is a sin - that's what I think.

    By the way, at domestic dealers, where there is a large segment of the population that has no interest in cars at all, the fuel economy is not as good as the catalog, our cars get 20-30% worse mileage! It's broken! I have seen an old man annoy the dealers by making a complaint and demanding that the car be replaced.
     I really thought ignorance was a sin.

  6. KATA

    I have owned a 987 (2011) for 8 years and have not had any breakdowns.

    The screeching noise in our house is the plastic between the sheets? The noise was coming from the plastic between the seats. The dealer put a small piece of gap tape on the glass and the noise went away.

    Within one year of purchase (within the warranty period), the holo stops in the middle and does not close (free replacement).
    Glove box would not close -> interior light would stay on, rushed to dealer.
    Passenger door will not click shut.
    Not a failure, but the battery in one of the tire pressure sensors goes dead → replace all four.

    Final.
    After 140,000 km, the gears started slipping, and the company was told that the entire transmission would have to be replaced, so they let it go.

    And so on, well, the fatal one was gear, but something like once a year, hospitalized, double-digit amount of money was flying. lol

    Currently, a 992 (bare-bones Carrera) with MINA's family was delivered this January and I am driving it.
    This was also a problem with noise & ventilation (squeaking noise coming from passenger seat), had it greased once but it was not fixed. Went back to the dealer today.

    Is there something wrong with our PCM connection too? I am not sure.
    Well, it's a Porsche like that, except for the driving, I guess. lol

    • Mina.Mina.

      KATA.
      Thank you!

      >MINA's 992 (bare-bones Carrera) with her family was delivered this January and she is driving it.
      Oooh!!! That's right. !!!!!
      There are various minor glitches, but sure enough, my husband always says, "That's just the way Porsche is" (laughs).
      I was thinking that many Porsche drivers are very generous, because their cars are so wonderful to drive, when I read the comments on this article.

  7. free space

    I'm the old man of the supercar generation who wants Porsche soon, but thank you for the accurate information. It is very helpful because it is always written fairly objectively and fairly. thank you very much

    • Mina.Mina.

      Aki
      Thank you for visiting my blog!
      And thank you for your nice words ^^

      Thank you for your continued support.